Comments on: thesixtyone. what happened?

By: stateshirt

stateshirt — Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:56:54 +0000

Just uploaded the source files to "61 Ways"... if anyone wants to do a remix, have at it! Grab the files here.

By: ftlpope

ftlpope — Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:04:47 +0000

When I saw the new 61 I thought my computer was broken but then I could not find a way to communicate with their admin so finally I found the next best thing – the button to remove my tunes. ftlpope. London. UK

By: stateshirt

stateshirt — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:09:32 +0000

@evan good idea! I will upload the “61 Ways” source files to ccMixter!

By: stateshirt

stateshirt — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:53:16 +0000

thanks for the comments everyone. i have noticed that T61 has slowly started to add back some features. Not sure if they can lure back the people they pissed off. A quick check of Alexa stats shows that their page views have gone up but the time users spend on the site has dropped off a cliff.

i’m still checking out other sites. so far Uvumi seems nice, there are some features that I’d like that they don’t have yet but it seems like they’re working on it. I’m still giving StereoFame a chance but it’s lame that they charge artists to upload more than 5 songs.

Oh well… it’s bummer about T61. It was one of my favorite music sites. I actually didn’t even really mind the crazy new design but the way they went about it was just terribly wrong. Hope another site fills the void. It was one of the best sites for artists and music lovers to converge.

By: Dieter

Dieter — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:56:55 +0000

@Slim

It would be helpful if your music lawyer could point out what has to be changed in that contract so that you may accept it. The people running Uvumi are very cooperative and open minded. Just put a note into their feedback box. I’m sure the issue will have a remedy soon.

By: Slim

Slim — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:15:37 +0000

Sorry, I just felt attacked. All I was trying to do is make people take notice. I have no idea why I care. Because every good dead never goes unpunished.

As for the contract. I did not read it. My music lawyer did. When I read it, it seems the same as every contract. But from what I have been told, you change one word and the whole contract can change in meaning.

If you have investors and performing contracts. You have to watch everything you agree to.

Plus, everyoone of us indie artist can have a music lawyer who will open a account on anysite for you. Like I do. This is the only place I have been told “No Dice” on. Oh and Facebook. But you can join direct from corporate with them. Which I really think a lot of artist should do. But I think they changed there terms to be more friendly these days. Not sure.

Just be careful guys. You all are very talented artist and I want to see you all mainstream one day.

Peace.

By: Dieter

Dieter — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:55:38 +0000

@Slim & @Sandy V.
Keep cool guys! No offends and no sarcasm please.

I think it’s an important topic and hope you both could have a fruitful discussion. I have no clue what’s right and what’s wrong but I’m very interested on that topic. Help me understanding what the correct license agreement would include (or not).

By: umdesch4

umdesch4 — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:52:44 +0000

Slim, what the heck did you read? I don’t think it was the same thing I read, ‘cuz I was shocked at how “fair” this contract seemed. I mean, there’s language all over the place like:

“Your grant of such rights is revocable at any time and such revocation shall not in any way require the consent of Uvumi LLC.”

When do you EVER get that stated so explicitly in an IP contract? As a software developer in the corporate IT world, I’ve been asked to sign stuff that’s much more unfriendly than that (and in some cases, refused and told them where to put their contract…Accenture anyone?), but this one isn’t sounding any alarms with me.

By: Sandy V.

Sandy V. — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:51:25 +0000

Transcoding is not explicitly mentioned, it was my take on what “modify” can refer to. (It might have been more clear if I had put it like this: “giving the site the right to modify (e.g. transcode, convert to different sound quality), reproduce (e.g. by streaming) and promote (e.g. by linking) the uploaded music files.”)

By: Ben

Ben — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:45:59 +0000

I don’t know the legalese at uvumi, nor at t61, but based on the mentioning of the words “transcoding” and streaming, I’m pretty sure this doesn’t differ from t61. Sharing sites need an artists permission to stream their music to site visitors and sometimes they need to alter the encoding (that’s what transcoding seems to be about) to be able to properly stream the music.